The source of light reveals itself in darkness, the one who brings peace comes between the fighting parts, the discovery of the Truth takes place in the second of the greatest infatuation with falsehood.
P: This is our second meeting. You mentioned that the topic ‘The God of the Gita’ might be interesting for some people around us.
R: Yes, there might be two groups interested in this topic at the present time. The followers of Krishna create the first one. Meaning all the Societies for Krishna Consciousness and already mentioned the Brahma Kumaris. All the researchers of scriptures and of course the researchers of the Gita create the second group.
P: So, let’s start. What is the Gita?
R: I would like to ask all who will read our today’s discussion to go through our discussion about the Ramayana and Mahabharata or at least to read that point about ever rotating wheel of the world history and its ‘shooting’ taking place in the period of 1936-2036. Assuming that the reader already knows these things, I will start right from what ShivBaba teaches about ‘Who is the God of the Gita’ without repeating that topic.
P: I think that it will be reasonable. Then, what does ShivBaba tell us?
R: ShivBaba teaches that the Gita is ‘the mother’ (Gita Mata) and that the Gita is a ‘scripture’ (shastr). Shastr, in other words shasan karnevala, in English ‘the one who rules’. There are two kinds of Gita. One is the true living Gita. It is the role of the Mother Gita, the role played by a certain human soul in the Confluence Age. Her mind and intellect become a repository of the knowledge narrated by ShivBaba, ‘a fertile soil’, in which the seeds of knowledge sowed by the Creator Father sprout and give the best fruit. That is why the Father entrusts the rule of the world to that Mother’s care. The other Gita means the teachings narrated by Shiva through the mouth of his chariot (meaning the human body). We have to remember, that Shiva doesn’t have his own body. He has to use a human body to narrate knowledge and purify the souls. So, he uses the body of Krishna , Brahma Baba to narrate the knowledge of the Gita. Shiva were narrating the Gita since 1947 to 1969. He narrated ‘rough’ verses which supposed to be preserved thoroughly by the Brahma Kumaris, until the time of Shiva’s new role comes and he clarifies those unclear for the human mind teachings. The fact that the Brahma Kumaris were using written records of those teachings as household papers shows well what their attitude towards knowledge is like. A very small part has been preserved. A big part was simply destroyed. Teachings from the period of 1965-68 have been preserved. The teachings that got into the Brahma Kumaris’ hands have been adulterated by them. BKs have ‘modified’ those teachings. They removed things that they didn’t understand or that were ‘uncomfortable’ for them. They added new parts and because of lack of understanding they also adulterated the translations. The spiritual food of today’s Brahma Kumaris in the entire world is poison and has nothing to do with knowledge. On the other hand, the teachings of the Gita that got into the hands of AIVV students were entrusted to ShivBaba and since 1976 ShivBaba has been clarifying the secret meanings of these teachings to his students. It is called ‘the nectar of the Gita Knowledge’, that is ‘the advanced knowledge’. The soul playing the role of the Mother Gita is listening to these clarifications, the seeds of knowledge falling on the fertile soil of her intellect will give the fruit soon. Only Shiva who is the Author and Narrator of the Gita can explain the meaning of the teachings narrated by him. He was narrating them through the human body of Krishna and he is clarifying them also using a human body, the body of Ram, Krishna ’s father. Through the body of Krishna Shiva played the role of the mother (as Brahma), through the body of Ram he is playing the role of the father, teacher and true guide (as Shankar). It is the soul of Ram who as Shankar achieves the incorporeal stage equal to the Father Shiva in the Confluence Age. That is why bhaktas (devotees) on the path of devotion combined two names - Shiva and Shankar, as a memorial of this fact. The incorporeal living Shiva-Shankar is the God of the Gita. However, Brahma Kumaris considered Krishna to be God. They inserted his name in the teachings of the Gita written on paper as the name of the one who narrates the Gita. After his death they placed his non-living image on their altars and the pray to him everyday asking for destruction. They also pray to other living and dead ones. They also placed them on altars. They pray to Dadi Gulzar keeping her photos next to their computers. They pray to Dadi Janki in front of her photos and copies of her speeches. They pray to Dadi Prakashmani. They organized her funeral with a great pomp and show and placed her image on their altars and treat it like a picture of a saint. The shooting of the human drama is going on and soon the drama itself will start anew. The incorporeal Shiva-Shankar falls into oblivion, he is rejected. First Krishna takes his place over in the mind of the devotees; later on the other human gurus. All this is taking place now and will take place again, when the time of devotion in the next drama of the human creation comes. Those who placed Krishna in altars and considered him as the God of the Gita in the Confluence Age will insert his name in the Gita in the path of devotion and remove the name the Incorporeal One as well as all the traces of him.
P: What are God’s attributes and why can’t Krishna be considered to be the God of the Gita?
R: ShivBaba explains that a human being can’t be God. God is aman, meaning his mind (man) remains under full control as if it doesn’t exist at all. So, it is right to call him ‘the pure intellect’. God is ekras (always in the same stage). Further, God is nirakari, nirvikari, nirahankari (incorporeal, free from all vice and ego). However, we have to bear in mind that ‘incorporeal’ means not only ‘the one who doesn’t have his own body’, but it also means ‘the one who through his intellect always remains in the incorporeal stage’, even if he is in a human body. Next, God is asocta (in the thoughtless stage), abhogta (beyond experience), akarta (beyond action). He doesn’t enter the cycle of birth and death and is always pure. Shiva is like this. In his revealed form he is called Shiva-Shankar. He is the Supreme, the father of all religious fathers who came to the human world of creation. He is the God of the Gita and the Gita is the Mother of all religious scriptures in the world. All the human souls in the world recognize, see and experience Shiva-Shankar in his absolute stage here, on this earth, in the human world of creation at the very end of its cycle. God can be experienced only here, when the human souls as well as Shiva himself are in bodies. There is no experience and no consciousness beyond this world. All the human souls, all the religious fathers who are also human souls experience the father Shiva being present in his corporeal chariot Shankar here, in this earth, and in the next cycle they present him in their paths in the way they experienced him.
Krishna doesn’t have the same qualities as Shiva-Shankar, because Krishna is a human soul. The human being (manushya) uses his mind (man), which is unstable and undergoes influence, so there is no question of his being in the ekras stage. As the result of passing through the cycle of birth and death, a human being becomes vikari and ahamkari (full of vices and arrogant). The human being is bhoghta (he desires to experience things through the senses and organs), karta (he acts, becomes attached to the results of action).The human soul being influenced by the bodily experience, identifies itself with its body, so there is no question of being always nirakari. How can Krishna , who is a human being, be God? Krishna becomes the creation of God, but he is not God. The creation of God is a deity, meaning a human being in his most elevated stage, after being purified and uplifted by God from the stage of degradation at the end of the cycle. That most elevated stage that the human soul can achieve is called „sola kala sampurn, sarvgun sampan, double ahimsak”, in other words: ‘perfect on 16th celestial degree, full with all the virtues and double free from violence’. Krishna is like this at the very beginning of the world cycle, while God is beyond this stage. He is kalatit (beyond the limits of the celestial degrees).
P: What is the result of it? Is God something more than Perfection?
R: ShivBaba explains that if God had the same attributes as the deity, he wouldn’t be able to conquer the evil of this world. His task is to conquer evil, destroy unrighteousness in the human world at the end of its cycle and establish adi sanatan dharm (ancient dharm) – the imperishable eternal supreme law. In order to do this he assumes the form of kalatit sarvshaktivan karan karavanhar, meaning ‘the one who is beyond all degrees, the almighty one, the one who acts himself and has actions performed by the others”. He has to assume a powerful and ferocious form (raudrup) towards the ones who don’t reform themselves through love and knowledge, so that he could force them to change. That is why he is also called Rudra, meaning the one who reveals himself through a ferocious form.
P: It is difficult to understand that God can be ferocious.
R: Actually, he himself is not ferocious, but he reveals himself in such a form. ‘Form’ means ‘a human body’, a body of a human soul that becomes an instrument. Shiva himself is always beyond everything. The ones who despite following the path of knowledge have committed outrageous deeds and they will experience that Supreme Form of the Truth as a ferocious one. Considering Krishna to be the God of the Gita is an outrageous act which means considering the son to be the husband and god of the mother. Are those who have committed this act as the result of being intoxicated with the body and neglecting the points of Knowledge that Shiva communicated to them, aware of what they have done and what are the consequences of this deed? The son becomes a master over his mother. Do the Brahma Kumaris understand what an outrageous deed they have committed and what are its irreversible consequences, because the shooting has already taken place? They have done it and they will always do the same. When eventually they understand what they have done, when they understand the wheel of the history, when the discuss of the self-realization spin in their intellects, they will realize the first and the last lesson on the path of knowledge. The topic of the lesson is: ‘who am I?’, meaning ‘where, when, in which religions, in what kind of forms and in what kind of company do I – an immortal, imperishable, eternal soul point of light play roles in this human theatre?’ On the spiritual level the Brahma Kumaris considering Krishna to be the God of the Gita equals murdering the Father and forcing the Mother to incest. Isn’t it a horrible act? What will the members of Societies for Krishna Consciousness who are their spiritual followers say? What will the researchers of the Gita say? What will the followers of the other religions say when they realize that the Gita is also their Mother? These are the results of neglecting even one point from Shiva’s teachings narrated through Krishna, meaning Brahma Baba. The point is: ‘You must not keep a photo of this Brahma.’
P: When will all these people, who you’ve mentioned, understand what the Brahma Kumaris have done?
P: ShivBaba explains that the key to understanding is the lesson about the Trimurti Shiva. Every human soul has to pass through this lesson to a certain extend and they will pass through it. Then, light will arise in them; they will awaken from the stage of being dead, meaning they will move from the stage of the spiritual death to the light of knowledge. It is happening. All the people at the end of the cycle are dead; their intellects and minds are dead, stony, burdened with karmic accounts of the previous births. The knowledge that Shiva narrates brings the souls back to life. All the human souls will be raised from the dead number wise, like igniting lamps. They will recognize themselves and they will recognize their eternal Father Shiva who plays in this world the role of the ocean of knowledge, love, purity and peace. When people understand who is the mother and father of this world, they will go to the Brahma Kumaris and count them up for years of keeping them in darkness. They will sue them, they will destroy their temples of Krishna, big palaces, they will knock their altars over and smash them down. False human gurus will cry and gnash their teeth.
P: There are billions people in the world. How and when will this knowledge reach everyone. Who will explain the Brahma Kumaris what they have done?
R: Knowledge is light that dispels darkness and attracts people. First, one lamp is ignited, next ones come in order. The ones who ‘carry light’ of knowledge to people are present in this world. In the western part of the world on the path of devotion, they were named Luciferrus, meaning ‘The One who Carries Light’. This name derives from Latin, lux, lucis – light; ferre – carry. Everything in this world passes through the four stages: satopradhan, sato, rajo, tamo (from the stage of being extremely pure to the stage of being extremely impure). Every soul in its last birth in the cycle is tamo, meaning dark, full with ignorance and vice. Just like the father Ram becomes Ravan in his last birth, in the same way the soul playing the part of ‘the one carrying light’, after passing through the full world cycle, birth becomes so vicious and arrogant in his last 84th that he falls down to the bottom of hell. That is why people showed him in the path of devotion as ‘the one knocked off down to hell’. Shiva uplifts this soul, fills it with the divine light and purifies again, so that it could become its instrument in the service for the world. ShivBaba's Knowledge available: http://kailashproject3.wordpress.com/
